^{August 7, 2025}

Why Are Countless Muslims Encountering Jesus In Dreams?

Inside This Episode

Why are so many Muslims around the world having vivid dreams and visions of Jesus? Could this be a supernatural movement unfolding in the Muslim world? In this powerful interview, missionary and author Tom Doyle shares firsthand stories from his 11 years in the Middle East and Central Asia—where he encountered countless Muslims who met Jesus through dreams so compelling, they ultimately left Islam and chose to follow Christ. 

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Transcript

Eric Huffman: Why are more and more Muslims around the world reporting vivid dreams and visions about Jesus?

Tom Doyle: And when Jesus comes to you 30 nights in a row, that gets your attention.

Eric Huffman: Could it be a sign of something bigger, something supernatural that's happening in the Muslim world?

Tom Doyle is the author of Dreams and Visions. And today we're going to talk with Tom about these mysterious encounters and what they might mean for the future of faith across the globe.

Tom Doyle, welcome to May Be God.

Tom Doyle: Great to be with you, Eric. Thank you so much. I've been really looking forward to this.

Eric Huffman: Well, us too. And thank you for making the time. I know you're very busy spreading the gospel around the world. So it means a lot that you made the time to be with us today, and grateful.

I think the best place to start would just be your own story and whether you ever imagined in a billion years being a guy God would use to reach Muslims across the world. Was that ever a part of your plan?

Tom Doyle: No, not at all. I was a pastor for 20 years. I started doing Israel trips, leading tours from our church and other people, and actually became a guide in the state of Israel. I kind of thought that would be it, would always pastor.

But three months before 9/11, God just gave us this heart to work with Jews and Muslims in the Middle East. And so He called us out to leave, to go and support, to start a ministry. We didn't know what we were walking into. We didn't have a lot of experience with Muslims, actually, but 9/11 was a dividing line era where Muslims had to, and they all watched 9/11. You can go into villages where they don't even have electricity, they knew about 9/11.

And so they had to decide, is that what it means to be a good Muslim, that I have to do jihad and kill people? We know that about 60% of them don't even practice Islam. 30% do, and they'd be good neighbors if they moved in next to you. But it's that 8% to 10% that really believes jihad is the way, which would be the upper crust leadership of Iran right now. Their goal, this is what they're living for.

Anyway, we just saw a wide-open door. Then in the midst of it, totally unexpected, seeing what God was doing, calming down Muslims in dreams and visions. And I didn't believe it at first. I just thought, "What? You know, is this some weird Christian TV show or something?" I don't know what I was thinking.

Eric Huffman: You were hearing these stories secondhand at first?

Tom Doyle: Yeah. And then we started hearing them personally. And I mean a lot of them, a lot of them, wherever we go. So we work in all the Middle East countries, have a lot of workers, probably about 70 that work with Uncharted Ministries, our ministry. We get stories every week, for sure. And then we work in the area. We've met these people. Let's just throw it out. It's the great awakening for the Muslims right now.

Eric Huffman: It truly is. I want to get more into that in a second. The first great awakening I want to talk about, though, is your own. What was it exactly that softened your heart toward these folks you were meeting in the Arab world?

Tom Doyle: You know, Eric, we lived in Colorado. I pastored there. I had a car that was in the shop up in Denver. My wife, JoAnn, dropped me off. So we go to pick up the car, and the guy said, "Mr. Doyle, I'm so sorry. We found something, one more thing we got to fix. This is going to be an hour, and I'm sorry." He goes, "Why don't you go across the street? It's lunch to this Middle Eastern restaurant and we'll pick up the tap. Should be an hour, just go on over there."

So, okay, I'd been to Israel and Egypt, Jordan. I'm having my falafel and a Diet Pepsi and enjoy myself and two guys walk in. They're obviously Middle Eastern, black leather jacket, closely cropped beard, whispering in Arabic. And they're right next to me. The tables are about three feet apart. It's a really small cafe.

Well, I mean, I'm the son of an FBI agent, an organized crime specialist. In my house, Eric, you were guilty until proven innocent. You know, everything starts back, right? So I'm just profiling them sitting there. They're whispering in Arabic. They have the look, they're young. I thought these guys are jihadists. So this is in the 90s.

And you know what? Few minutes later, as I'm tuning in, I hear one of them say in English to the camera, he said, "Hey, Mahmoud, the Lord is amazing, isn't He?" And it just took me back. I thought, "I didn't know Muslims talk like that. That sounds like what we talk as believers, you know, back to Arabic."

So I'm listening in, listening in. And then finally the other one in English said, "Let's just face it, Mohammed, Jesus is Lord over Syria, and nobody can stop Him." And I sat there and I just remember my falafel dropped in the [inaudible 00:05:15]. And I looked over and I said, "Are you guys believers?" And they said, "Yes. Are you?" And I said, "I think so. I mean, I used to be, till I... excuse me, I totally profiled you." And they said, "Oh yeah, we have the look. We get that all the time. Don't worry about it, brother. Pull over a chair."

And that was it, Eric. We sat there for about an hour. They kept calling, "Your car's done. Your car's done." And I'm getting story after story about how God is moving in the underground church. And I was hooked.

And then I get the car and they take me to their house. They want me to have dinner. They're inviting all their family over. And I called JoAnn and said, "You won't believe what I just experienced." And had never sadly really thought about what happens when Muslims become believers and follow Jesus. And they live in dangerous places like Baghdad or Damascus.

Eric Huffman: Interesting.

Tom Doyle: And man, I was hooked. And that was the beginning of the journey.

Eric Huffman: Yeah, wow. It brings to mind a lot of things we should be convicted about, right? Our predispositions and how wrongheaded they are sometimes. It sounds like you were pretty convicted in that moment about-

Tom Doyle: I was.

Eric Huffman: ...whatever geopolitical or theological predispositions you had toward the kind of folks that walked into that cafe that day. And I think a lot of us hold those good guy, bad guy kind of assumptions.

Tom Doyle: For sure.

Eric Huffman: Hopefully, the Holy Spirit will convict us of those and free us from that sort of thing. But sounds like He slapped you right across the face with that sort of thing that day.

Tom Doyle: Boy, He did. I just try to push all that away because we go everywhere, Gaza, probably 15 times. We've smuggled Bibles into Iran. Just don't judge a book by the cover. We just have to always just keep remembering they're created in the image of God. They're created in the image of God. Give them a chance. You never know where they are.

Eric Huffman: I've said stupid things like even publicly, like, God and Allah are not the same. Like I'm making some kind of big point that Christianity and Islam are not worshiping the same God. And my Arab Christian friends are always quick to point out that they call God Allah. It's just our limited framework sometimes that condemns us. But what changed after that experience?

Tom Doyle: You know, after that, I go home — and this is before the call to missions — and we have a trip to Egypt. We're doing a Bible tour to Egypt, Journey of Moses. And JoAnn and I and our team are there, and we're at the pyramids. Now it's in the summer, and it's super hot there. And JoAnn sees this woman in a full niqab, just the slit, you know, with the eyes. You've seen those black. It is so hot. And we're in shorts and t-shirts and she's in all that.

And JoAnn just grabs my arm and says, "Oh my gosh, the Lord's telling me I need to go speak to this woman. Look at her over there. She must be suffering." And by the way, Eric, her husband was dressed... he had a shirt that was unbuttoned, you know, like down to his navel. He looked like an Arabic version of Wayne Newton or something. I don't know, you know. And then here she's, you know.

And I said, "JoAnn, what are you gonna say?" And she said, "I have no idea." Pray for me. So she walked over, walked up to this woman, and just reached out with a loving hand to touch her arm and said, "You have the most beautiful eyes." And she just wiggled under that hijab. She just wiggled and immediately grabbed JoAnn's hand.

You know, we men it takes us a while to connect. Women, it can be immediate. And they are just talking and she is loving. And JoAnn is telling her, "I love Jesus, and I'm gonna be praying for you the rest of my life." And God just adjusted her, just like I had that restaurant adjustment.

All of a sudden, I could see clearly. And my eyes were on the lookout for Muslims. I wasn't avoiding them anymore. I was looking out for them. We had no idea God was calling us into that ministry, but that finally happened. And so-

Eric Huffman: Wow.

Tom Doyle: Yeah.

Eric Huffman: I think from the outside looking in, for a lot of people, it feels like Islam worldwide is just on the rise, and it's spreading, infiltrating, I guess, the West. And you see a lot of stories about that happening in Europe and to some degree in the Western world and the US, as though it's this unstoppable force that will one day supersede Christianity in number and become the dominant religion in the world.

What have you seen in regards to Islam and people's, I guess, Muslim people's satisfaction with their faith and more and more people coming to it? What's been your experience?

Tom Doyle: Well, I think Islam has a weak underbelly because when you think about how it started, it was conversion by death or conversion. So a majority of those first-generational leaders and Muslims throughout the Middle East, they only did that to save their lives. The majority of them were not convicted this was the right theology, this was the right leader. They just weren't. They did it out of fear. And that's a very flimsy conversion.

And so I think it just stands to reason several generations later that God would start to answer those prayers of Christians around the world. Eric, we used to pray through the window or pray during Ramadan or the 1040 window. We remember praying for that. And the least reached people, one-fifth of the globe is Islam.

Those prayers, they're never wasted. Those prayers are still up there before the Father. In fact, my wife, JoAnn, says it's like they're live-streaming before God. They're still there. Just like when Simon in the temple, when they told him, "God's heard your prayer, and Elizabeth's gonna have a baby." Zachariah, sorry. And it ends up that God's heard what prayer. He prayed that in decades. They were old.

Eric Huffman: Yeah.

Tom Doyle: And they had a baby, right? And we were praying. People were praying. At our church, we had mission conference. People are praying for Muslims. And all of a sudden, it just seemed like the floodgates opened wherever we went.

My first experience, just a couple of months after 9/11, Eric, walked into the Gaza Strip. I was with the only evangelical pastor, the entire Gaza Strip, and immediately, a Muslim woman, covered in black, comes up and grabs my arm and says this, "You're from America, aren't you?" And I said, "Well, yeah, I am." Spoke great English. And she said, "Did you see on September 11th when the buildings came down and the people in Gaza were cheering? Did you see that on CNN?" And I said, "Yeah, I did see that." She said, "Not me. I was crying for those people because they didn't deserve to die. And I am so sorry. Will you forgive the Palestinians here for cheering? I was crying. I'm so sorry." And I said, "Yes." And she turned on her heel and walked away. And I thought, "You know what? There's more than terrorists here. There are human beings here." Here's this Muslim woman.

And that was risky, Eric. Even just kind of tapped my arm there. They don't do that. But she wanted to get my attention. And I just remember thinking, "Lord, we can work with this. These are some people that have big hearts, and not all of them want to do jihad."

Eric Huffman: Yeah. And for young people that are watching that might not have the memories that we have about 9/11 and the months following, I'm shocked that you were over there a few months after 9/11 because it was so intense. Everybody was so afraid. And there were other scares happening, anthrax and other things going that I remember, and rumors of wars kicking up in the region. And there you were.

It's a testament to me that there was something stirring in your heart that you left your comfortable place here in the U.S. to be over there. And God honored that.

I know you've written and talked a lot about what soon after that started happening. When did you first begin to catch wind personally, firsthand, of Muslim people being encountered by Jesus, specifically in supernatural ways?

Tom Doyle: Well, you know, I just heard of it secondhand, didn't know if it was true or not. And hey, let's face it, we've all heard about missionary stretch where there's stories. And did that really happen to whole village? We hope so, you know? But maybe it didn't.

We started hearing about it and wasn't sure about it. My first thought was this. Because I trained studying God's word. And my first thought was, "Well, all they need is God's word. They don't need a dream or a vision. They really don't."

But then we started to realize that some of the stats say that adult Muslims globally, about half of them don't read. Shocking. So we give them one of these and they can't read it. They can't read the Bible. Anyway, we just started seeing God working in different ways and people crying out to God about prayers, things that they needed.

And then I met someone in a Bible study, we're in Jerusalem, some Arabs and Jews, former like Orthodox Jews, former Palestinian radicals for sure were in this Bible study. And everybody's going around the circle, giving their name, and the guy next to me, Eric, says, "My name's Mohammed and I'm from Jerusalem." And I just went, "Wow, what a name to have as a believer. Were you just dying to get out of Islam and have a personal relationship with Jesus?"

And he looked at me and he said, "No, I thought I was right and you were wrong. I mean, I thought that Islam was the right way and you guys were all wrong and you were lost." And so it ends up, he says, "But that all changed."

And I said, "What happened?" And he said, "Jesus started coming to me in dreams, night after night." And when Jesus comes to you 30 nights in a row, that gets your attention.

Eric Huffman: Thirty nights.

Tom Doyle: And I remember thinking, "Holy mackerel, are you kidding me?" I mean, I've never had a Jesus dream. I'd love to." But-

Eric Huffman: I've never had any dream for 30 nights in a row that would be a tension grabber.

Tom Doyle: So it ends up that he just told me a story and it was just... everything opened up. Wherever we went, we started having Muslims coming up saying, "I saw a man in a white robe. He says He's Jesus. What does it mean? You're a Christian, right?"

And wherever we went, we were hearing this and hearing the stories. A friend of mine that works with Cru put together a website and it was, "Have you seen a man in a white robe? Has a man named Jesus come to you?" And he called me and said, "Tom, guess how many responses we had to that website?" And he goes, "And it wasn't even really that great of a website. We just threw it together. Is this happening? We're here, it's happening." I said, "I don't know. How many responses from Muslims? 100, 200?" He said, "750,000."

Eric Huffman: Goodness.

Tom Doyle: From around the world. I said, "You're kidding me." And so-

Eric Huffman: Was this just a website?

Tom Doyle: Just a website. It launched a ministry. We started writing them down. Remember the old yellow legal pads? So I'd meet Mohammed in Baghdad and he'd say, "Yeah, Jesus came to me in a dream. I'd say, wait a minute. Okay, start over. I got to get these details because I preach in churches and they're not going to believe this." I didn't believe it. And it was amazing.

Initially in the beginning, a lot of them that we encountered had this same dream, that they saw a man in a white robe across a lake. And he said, "Come, follow me." And they would see themselves walking on water to them.

Eric Huffman: Wow.

Tom Doyle: So why that dream? Here's a guess. Because outside of the resurrection, around the world, when you talk to people about Jesus, that's the one miracle that they've heard of. "Is that the guy that walked on water?" You know? It's kind of like the Red Sea miracle in the Old Testament for the Jews. He walked on water.

And so we would hear that. Then it just, we were hearing all kinds of dreams to the point where recently some men and women from Saudi Arabia came out into a Muslim country that works with church planting to train them how to do underground churches in Saudi Arabia. They didn't know each other. They just all came together.

At the end of the conference, they said, "Hey, by the way, there's 39 of you here." Because we used to say one third of all Muslims that come to Faith in Christ have a dream about Jesus. Now we say, it feels like it's probably about half. It's hard to get numbers. How many of you had a dream about Jesus? "You guys don't know each other." "Nope, we don't know each other." But they were drawn to this conference. And they came, all 39 of them, had dreams.

Eric Huffman: All 39?

Tom Doyle: All 39. So we're hearing it all the time. And a lot of people say, "Well, it's not in America." It is in America. We're meeting Muslims that are having dreams about Jesus.

Eric Huffman: My next question was gonna be whether any part of you, having the predisposition that you had before all these events started happening, remained skeptical about the stories you were hearing. I don't know how you would, though, with that preponderance of evidence.

Tom Doyle: Yeah. I kind of initially held them at arm's length, but here was the thing. Every one of them, we would ask them about their commitment to Jesus. And you would hear these former Muslims, Eric, say, "I'm willing to die for Him. I'm willing to suffer for Him. I'm willing to die for Him." And I thought, "Who am I to judge these people?"

The last church I pastored, would all of them have said that? I doubted, you know? In fact, now our leaders throughout the Middle East, when a Muslim's ready to pray, they ask him two questions. Number one, are you willing to suffer for Jesus? Because it's probably gonna happen. Probably from your family, people you love the most may persecute you. If they say yes, okay, here's the second question. "It could be worse than that. You could be called on to die for Jesus. Are you willing to die for Jesus?" "Yes."

Eric Huffman: Wow.

Tom Doyle: And then they pray for them. And this is before salvation. Eric, let's put these questions in the new members class. Man, we should be doing this, right? Can you imagine that?

Eric Huffman: We should be. I'm not even sure it would be the same, though, because saying it in a place like Houston, Texas is one thing. I can say it, sure. Yeah, I'll die for Jesus. But saying it in a context where you could actually die for Jesus-

Tom Doyle: You really could.

Eric Huffman: ...that's another thing entirely.

Tom Doyle: Yeah, you really could. We were in an underground church in a Middle Eastern country, and it was baptism day. They actually meet in the church, close the windows, curtains, lock the doors and all that, secret side entrance. You could have a password to come in.

We're involved in MPBs, Muslim Background Believers, being baptized. There was a woman, a remam, and in the meeting before it, she told everybody, "My husband says, baptism is the end of the road. I know you love Jesus now, but if you get baptized, that'll be the day that I kill you."

Eric Huffman: Wow.

Tom Doyle: So we're standing there and everybody's lining up and they're all hugging at each other. These are former Muslims. They just have the joy of Jesus. And the side door opens and here she comes. I mean, I just looked at her and I thought, "This is an unbelievable commitment." And then the clapping just started and standing ovation, everybody just like, this is her family, and this could be the end of her life.

And she came in and just hugs all over the place, "Yes, I'm following Jesus because it says, believe and be baptized in the scriptures." And you know, amazingly, her husband did not kill her. He didn't. In fact, now she says every day when she's on her knees praying in the living room, she can hear him walk down the hall. He's listening to those prayers. She said, 'He likes it that I'm praying for him. He likes our marriage. He loves life now other than... he's not a believer, but he's getting there."

Eric Huffman: That is amazing.

Tom Doyle: Yeah.

Eric Huffman: Gosh. Yeah, it's hard for us to even conceive of a situation like that. So let's just circle back for a second because it sounds like these dreams are so impactful, incredible for those who are having them that they're willing to take a step like the woman you just described. What is it exactly? How do they know it's Jesus? Is He wearing a shirt Jesus? Or like, how do they know?

Tom Doyle: Well, this definitely isn't the surfing dude, Jesus. You know, blonde hair, blue eyes. This is-

Eric Huffman: Middle Eastern Jesus.

Tom Doyle: Middle Eastern Jesus. Dark hair, dark eyes. And He identifies Himself "I am Jesus. I love you." A woman in Iraq, in Baghdad, her husband would beat her every night. And one night he hit her with a frying pan and knocked her out. He was cruel. He would burn cigarettes into her arm and their five-year-old son's arm. So she comes to on the kitchen floor and she says this, "Every night I pray, God, where are you? Allah, where are you? I'm changing one prayer, one word in my prayer tonight. And it's this, God, who are you? Because I asked for you to show up every night, you don't. So you're either too busy or you don't care about me. Maybe I'm praying to the wrong God. God, who are you?"

Well, what do you think happens that night? Of course, she has an incredible Jesus dream where He tells her, "I love you. I'm here for you. You will be safe. And I will get you out of this situation."

Eric Huffman: Gosh.

Tom Doyle: I met her in Jordan. And the escape is miraculous how it happened. I mean, this is-

Eric Huffman: The escape from her marriage?

Tom Doyle: Yes, the escape from her marriage and to get out of the country. This is like James Bond meets Jesus stuff. I mean, it's unbelievable where God tells her here, "Yes, I give you my life, Jesus," and "pack your bag." Packs her bag, gets her son in the middle of the night, "and I'm sending someone for you". She's like, "Who?" And gets her stuff, gets her passport. She looks out the window, "There's a cab there." She goes down and "who sent you?" "I don't know. We got a call, and he says to pick you up and take you to the border to get into Jordan." And they escape and they get out.

So when I met her... I mean, you talk about a gospel machine.

Eric Huffman: I can only imagine.

Tom Doyle: She was sharing with everyone and just had this personality and just such a heart of love. Met her son and he'd been beaten. It was so sad. But another soul that Jesus reclaimed. So, I think for me, finally, I was over the edge realizing this is true. It's happening now. We do have the problem of false dreams. There's some Muslims that have a dream about Jesus and Muhammad. We've seen that too. We know how to walk them through that. The enemy, he can do that. He can disguise himself.

Eric Huffman: Yeah, whatever God creates, Satan imitates, we say. What do you do in a situation like that?

Tom Doyle: So we just ask them what happened. Like this one cab driver was telling me that... I was going from Jerusalem to Bethlehem. And I said, "Oh, you're Muslim. Hey, have you ever had a dream about Jesus?" We hear that all the time. And I'll usually say something like, "Have you heard how God is honoring the Muslim people?" And they'll say, "What do you mean?" "Oh my gosh, he's lifting them up." "How? Why?" "He's coming to them. Jesus is coming to Muslims in dream. If you had a dream..." He goes, "I had a dream." I said, "Great, tell me about it." He goes, "I was walking. And Jesus said it was Jesus. And all of a sudden, Jesus said, 'This is my son, Mohammed. Listen to him.' And he put his arm around the Prophet Mohammed."

I said, "Okay, okay, well, I'm going to pray that you have a real Jesus dream." And I just talked him through it. I said, "I don't think that's a real dream because the Bible... I mean, you had the dream, but it wasn't Jesus because in the Bible, Jesus said, 'I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the father but through me.' So my friend, it's not through Mohammed. It's only through Jesus. So He wouldn't have said that. Believe in the jinns." And he said, "Well, yeah, the jinns are the genies, the demons." And yeah. And I said, "Man, I'm sorry, but I think that's what that was," you know?

Eric Huffman: Yeah, so you're just honest with him up front?

Tom Doyle: Yeah, yeah.

Eric Huffman: I guess it could be easy if you weren't a man of high character to just take that as a Jesus dream too and count them as another sort of victory in the win column and call it a day. But I think it's important to call that what it is.

Tom Doyle: It is.

Eric Huffman: And as much as it's probably uncomfortable to have that conversation. And hearing you say that actually helps a skeptic like me to cozy up to the overall ministry and testimony you're offering because it's not all rose-tinted glasses here. There's evil at work even in this.

But let's talk quickly about why God would choose to go to Muslim people in dreams. What is it about the Muslim worldview that makes that so effective?

Tom Doyle: Well, I think they're searching. They're definitely passionate about their faith. It is interesting. There's cracks of opening in their theology. And one of them is the last week of Ramadan, they have a night called the night of destiny, the night of power. And every Muslim knows they're to pray to God, to ask Him for some special revelation, that He would draw near, that He would come to them. See, they're not feeling it, Eric, in their religion. They're not sensing a closeness.

You read the Quran, you would never come up with that, that this loving Father, Abba Father, we have that they don't. And so they're seeking an intimate personal relationship. That is the number one night of the year that Jesus appears to Muslims in dreams and visions.

Eric Huffman: Really?

Tom Doyle: They're saying, "Allah, come to me." Jesus accommodates that, and He comes to them in a dream or a vision. Finally, I came to this place where I was on Moody Radio one day with one of my old profs at Dallas Seminary, and he said, "Tom, tell a dream story." It's 2011. So I told a dream story, and he said, "You know what? You need to write a book about Muslims having dreams and visions." And I said, "Yeah, I've thought about that. I just wonder how evangelicals would accept that."

And you know what he said, Eric? He said, "We evangelicals, we need to get over ourselves. He's going to do anything he wants. Who are we to tell Him? If He wants to use a dream, good grief. Islam started with a dream. Maybe that's why He chose it."

Eric Huffman: What would even be the objection from the evangelical perspective there? That it's too wishy-washy?

Tom Doyle: It doesn't happen today. I had a pastor in Michigan really upset, sent me an email and said, "We don't need that. We only need the word of God." And I told him, "You're 100% right. We do not need dreams and visions. We have the word of God. But what would your plan B look like if you discovered that half the adult population in the Muslim world didn't read? And many of them can't spell their own name. What would your plan B look like?" And he said, "Okay, I never thought of that."

So that's that idealistic view, we're just going to get in the Bible, they're going to read, they're going to get saved, we're going to lead them. There's other ways.

And I think every Muslim has this strong lockdown barrier between them and Jesus. They believe we worship three gods, they believe the scriptures are corrupted, and a lot of other lies, and so they're just not going to go there.

But you know what's interesting? A guy wrote me in an email recently, he said, "I wonder if God is using dreams because it gets past our... we have a critical barrier. If I told you, 'Hey, I was up getting leaves out of the gutter, and I fell, and I landed perfectly on my feet, and I'm not hurt, and all that, you might go, 'What? I don't know if I believe that.'"

But in dreams, that critical barrier is not there. I mean, sometimes you wake up and think, "What in the world was that dream about? I'm back in middle school, I can't get my locker open, and it seemed real." There's not that filter. There's not their defenses up that critical barrier. And I thought, "You know, that's pretty amazing."

Plus, I think Islam started with the dream.

Eric Huffman: Yeah, that's right. I was going to say that.

Tom Doyle: And he thinks it was Jabril, Gabriel. We think it was a demon. He had horrible things that happened. He'd foam at the mouth. It looks like he's maybe epileptic or being demonized. But anyway, so God-

Tom Doyle: There's an opening there. Yeah, their whole faith is founded on a really spectacular dream.

Tom Doyle: Yeah.

Eric Huffman: Yeah. And so there's a predisposition to believe the supernatural power of dreams.

Tom Doyle: Yeah.

Eric Huffman: I mean, none of us can imagine being God, but if you're God, and given all these circumstances about the reading issue and the barriers and the openness to dreams, it makes all the sense in the world why God would reach these people He made in His image, people He loves, through dreams.

You've mentioned some of the commonalities in some of these dreams. Are there others, maybe, that are worth mentioning? Things that not all people that had these dreams, but many share in common?

Tom Doyle: Yeah. You know, they feel safe. They feel safe. How many women had told my wife JoAnn, "This was the safest I've ever felt with a man in my life. Jesus put His arm around me and told me He loved me, and He walked with me, and I felt no fear."

I mean, sadly, we do know this, not in so much the modern Muslim world, but in the traditional arranged marriages, a lot of times the guy's 60 and the girl is 15, and these are bad predator relationships. It's not good, and they don't feel safe with a man.

Even sometimes their sons, who at, you know, around 10 to 12 years old, have more say in the family than them. So, yeah, we hear that all the time. Just "I felt safe with Jesus". With men, it's "I just wanted Him to come back. I wanted to hear more. This was just amazing."

And so we're clear that there's a division there. We don't want a little bit of Jesus, a little bit of Islam. We don't want Chrislam. We don't want that. There's a clean break there. Jesus didn't allow for multi-religious beliefs. It's either Him or nothing. And so we have to make that clear with them. And they understand that, and they understand what that means, too, for sure.

Eric Huffman: Fascinating. You've mentioned several examples already of women in difficult circumstances, to say the least, and beaten by their husbands on a regular basis or unsafe, like this woman said, the only man she ever felt safe with was Jesus in the dream and running for their lives in some cases. Is that just a cultural phenomenon, or is that sort of thing allowed in the Muslim framework or by the Muslim scriptures that sort of sets that up, that situation?

Tom Doyle: As far as dreams?

Eric Huffman: No, I'm sorry, as far as women being in danger and men having their way with it.

Tom Doyle: I mean, it's in the Qur'an, it says that hell is mainly populated by women, and you know, you can't have the testimony of a woman. So if a woman's raped, all you need is a couple of minutes, say, No, it didn't happen, and case over, case dismissed, if they follow Sharia law.

And so, yeah, they know that it's very difficult for them, and they understand that. You know, even look at this. We did a video with a great ministry out of Brazil, and it's on Hagar. And you know, Hagar is supposedly the mother of all Muslims. That's what they claim. But she's not even named in the Qur'an.

Eric Huffman: Really?

Tom Doyle: We'll say that to Muslims. "Who's the mother of Muslims?" Hajar, they'll say. Hagar. "Did you get that out of the Qur'an? Is she named?" "No, she's not named in the Qur'an." "You know what? Listen to what God thinks of her in the Bible. She's not only named, she's allowed to give God a name. She names Him the God who sees, the God who hears me. She was willing..." "Really?" They don't know that. They don't know that.

Look how God honors women. So we're always trying to open that up so they can truly see the way God intended it to be.

Eric Huffman: Do you find it, have y'all found it in your ministry, I guess easier is the word, or just more fruitful to reach out directly to women for that reason? They tend to be more dissatisfied with the framework they're in. Is that accurate?

Tom Doyle: Yeah. And you know what? My wife, JoAnn, hit it and it led to a book, "Women Who Risk: Secret Agents for Jesus in the Muslim World".

We were just walking through the house one day and she said, "Gosh, after 20 years of working in the Middle East, have you ever noticed all the movements in the country we're working with in a village, in a city, whatever, always seems like it was a woman first that came to faith in Christ?" It's like the women at the cross, the women at the tomb, the women at the resurrection, you know? And then JoAnn just said, "Yeah, women are the spiritual gatekeepers of their family, aren't they?" And I said, "Oh my gosh, yes. We need to write a book on that of women that have made an impact." And so we did.

So we always say this, reach the Muslim woman, reach the Muslim world. That's huge.

Eric Huffman: Wow. That's interesting because in my ministry, in reaching skeptics in America, I always say the opposite. I always say, you know, reach the Christian man, father, husband, his family will follow. That's sort of a truism in Christian evangelicalism. But in the Muslim world, you've experienced the opposite.

Tom Doyle: Yeah. In fact, one of our leaders who's a former Muslim imam said this. He said, I wasn't in charge of training the kids in Islam. That's the wife's job. I don't do that. I do the spiritual stuff, not stuff at home. And so they hold a lot of sway. They're the ones that train. They're the ones that read the Quran to their kids. Anyway, yeah.

Eric Huffman: So you mentioned the book that your wife and you wrote together. It's "Women Who Risk". I love the subtitle, "Secret Agents for Jesus in the Muslim World". This is the book by which I got to know you, and it's "Dreams and Visions". You mentioned it earlier.

In the book, there's a line, I think it's in the intro, where you say, "Prepare to be amazed. Islam has a visitor. Jesus has arrived." What kind of numbers have you seen? And I guess as a follow-up to that question, what happens to these people once Jesus arrives for them?

Tom Doyle: Well, I think probably the most accurate, my guess, numbers is the unreached, unengaged people groups, and the majority of them—you know, there's a lot in China and different places like that—but the majority of the unreached people groups, unengaged, nobody working with them is in the Muslim world. And we see those numbers. We see ministries coming together and saying, The Gospel launched in this village.

It's a beautiful thing to see, Eric, because, you know, when we come together in Christ and nobody cares who gets the credit, we can get a lot done for Jesus, right? You know, nobody is trying to, hey, we're the best. We're working together. So when we meet people that are meeting with Muslims and seeing things, we want to hear what... help us, you know? There's areas where we're striking out big time. What's happening? There's just this camaraderie of people that love and support each other because they know it's difficult.

So anyway, you can look at unreached people groups. I could take you to a city in the Middle East right now where over 500 Muslims have come to faith in Christ. It's a radical city. So this would be the underground church, this church that meets. For them, because they're in a fanatical city, to walk into a church, they'd probably be killed.

But when the refugee crisis happened in Syria and then Iraq and that, leaders in the Middle East started saying to Christian leaders, "We're going to reach out to them as Muslims to help them with food and clothing. Will you reach out to them too?" Which was amazing, really.

So now it's getting to the point where... I just heard in Damascus from a pastor that he said 30% of the people that were coming to his church were Muslim seekers. They were slipping in, slipping out. They got to know people through food distribution, clothing, whatever.

So that's starting to happen more and more, where they're coming together. But then when they come to faith in Christ, it's that willingness to live for Christ. I mean, in the Middle East, we're saying, Are you willing to die for Christ? In America, it's, are you willing to live for Christ? That'll preach, right?

So, anyway, we're seeing a lot of numbers. It's hard to get your armor on the numbers. I hear estimates from David Garrison, who's a good friend of mine. "The Wind in the House of Islam". If you want to read a good book, read that.

Or Abdul Murray or Brother Rashid, who's on the internet and television, has a $25 million bounty on his head. We're hearing some big numbers. We don't know how to verify. But one thing I would like to say is we have a website called I Found the Truth, ifoundthetruth.com, and these are all former Muslims. They give their testimony. They're just, "here's my story".

People would say, Well, this didn't happen." Well, this is their story. What's your story? And it took off kind of slow, Eric, but it just took off like a rocket. There's over 3.4 million people viewing the films. You know where the largest, in the country, the most viewed films are? Indonesia, which is what we wanted.

Eric Huffman: Really?

Tom Doyle: It's the largest Muslim nation in the world. And so it shows you there's a hunger there.

Eric Huffman: Oh, there is.

Tom Doyle: "Okay, this guy's from Jordan, and I'm from Jordan. What's he going to say?" And then they're hearing the truth.

Eric Huffman: Yeah. We've had a couple of people on our podcast previously that are featured on the website you mentioned. It's ifoundthetruth.com? Is that right?

Tom Doyle: Yeah, mm-hmm.

Eric Huffman: I checked out the site. It's awesome and so well done. The videos are amazing. I encourage everybody watching now to check out ifoundthetruth.com.

One of the people we've had on the podcast before was Majed el-Shafie, and his story is on your website, and one of the most-watched videos that we've ever had on this channel. And every time we do something that has anything remotely to do with Islam, our numbers just go crazy. We have to watch that because we don't want to just chase numbers.

But what we see with that is there's something happening around the world that piques interest. And I think my sense is that for a lot of people in the Muslim world, videos like these and interviews with people that are from that part of the world, it's a safe way for them to explore their questions as they continue to pretend to be Muslim for survival's sake, I guess. This is how I imagine it. They can watch on their privacy at their home and ask and explore these questions.

When someone, in your experience, makes the leap in their heart from Islam to Jesus, I guess it's contextually dependent, but how much do they have to continue to play along? I love in your subtitle, the book about women, you said "secret agents". And that tells me they have to stay underground while continuing to face forward that I'm still trustworthy and I'm still who I was. But in their hearts, they've fundamentally changed. I'm guessing that's why it's hard to put a number on this.

Tom Doyle: It really is. It really is.

Eric Huffman: It's not like counting attendance at church on Sunday morning will do it.

Tom Doyle: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. It's shocking how many times we're in villages and places where we meet someone that's had a Jesus dream, that prayed to receive Jesus. They don't know what it means. It's hard to get quantitative numbers. But for a woman, like on "Women Who Risk", if you see the cover, it's a picture of a woman, she's got a pretty blue headdress on, and she's going back into the village. She's accepted Jesus, she's going back in, and she's going to tell her family.

And they are not afraid of the truth. They will tell their family, and they know what that could cost. They may not broadcast it in their village, because people would probably line up and stone them. But these are people that have counted the cost and are doing it.

I think, you know, one of the stories in "Dreams and Visions" that just gets me is there was a woman in Saudi Arabia that came to faith in Christ, and she lived in a village called Bereda. And Bereda is probably the most fanatical village in Saudi Arabia. I mean, it's more conservative than Mecca.

And so this sweet woman, I'm forgetting her name now. I'll think of it in a minute. But anyway, she comes to faith in Christ, and she gets online with her church. She doesn't know anybody in Bereda that has a Bible, that knows Jesus, but there's this online group that they can get to, and it's safe on the internet and all of that.

She starts hearing stories, "That's what I want, that's what I want." She becomes a believer. So her whole church existence was like this: online. She never met a believer face-to-face. So she served Jesus, we think, a couple years, two or three. Her brother worked for the secret police, and one day he saw something on her computer while she was at work. She came home one day and said, "Is it true? Are you no longer a Muslim? Are you following Jesus?" And she said, "It's true. It is. It's true. I'm following Jesus." He said, "Give me your phone. I'm calling the family, and in two hours, you'll be dead for this."

And so she went in a room. Amazingly, her computer was still there. And she wrote a poem and sent it out to the body of Christ. You talk about a brave young 20s woman saying, "I'm not concerned about your swords. Jesus is the savior of my life. Jesus is my protector. Look at the hate in your heart." And within two hours, brutal, what they did, they dragged her into the street and killed her. And one of these days in heaven, Eric, that's someone we want to meet.

Eric Huffman: That's right.

Tom Doyle: I don't think she ever hugged a believer, but I bet Jesus was waiting for her there and gave her a huge hug. She was convinced of the truth and her testimony is living on as people read the poem.

If you get dreams and visions, that would be worth it just to read what she wrote. Eric, it sounds like an early church father or something with the depth of her faith in Christ.

Eric Huffman: Yeah, it really is. I know in addition to reaching Muslims for Jesus, you are passionate about the Western church hearing these stories. And I think that's a critical part of your work because there is a strain within Christianity now that sort of wants to turn on Muslims entirely. Politically, it's messy. We know of what's going on now with Israel and Iran, and there's just a lot of fear. What do you hope American Christians, in particular, take away from the stories you're telling and how do you hope it changes our heart?

Tom Doyle: Well, we feel like here in the West, in America and Europe, we do a lot because our books are in different languages in Europe, is that we can sound the alarm to the church that Muslims are open. It's never been easier. This is the great awakening. Step out in faith and God's going to use you. Most of them are lonely. Most of them don't have friends outside of their religion. And anyone that, especially Muslim woman, that even notices them, it's shocking to them.

So let's sound the alarm in the churches and tell the stories about what God's doing. He said, it's simple. We know these verses. Upon this rock, I will build my church. And the gates of not prevail. They're like Kleenex gates. They're nothing. Nothing's going to stop the church.

And this hasn't stopped the church in the Muslim world or the Muslim world here. So for all of us that have been praying for the 1040 window and all that, guess what? The 1040 window is out our window now. We say, Look at Houston.

Eric Huffman: Oh, man.

Tom Doyle: I mean, we say this area, the Muslims are coming. The Muslims are coming. The Muslims are here.

Eric Huffman: They're here.

Tom Doyle: So what are we going to do? And with a little bit of love and a lot of guts to get out there and just meet people, Muslims are open to the gospel. They're open.

Eric Huffman: Yeah. And I guess a skeptic might say, well, what about all these stories of overseas Muslims having all these encounters with Jesus supernaturally? And I'm not hearing those stories here in sophisticated America. So that would be a feather in the cap of someone who wants to say, well, it's just the sort of thing you get from unsophisticated backwater parts of the world. Are these kinds of things happening here as well?

Tom Doyle: They really are. And I think I would say, you know, obviously Muslims that would come here have a lot more access to the gospel in a village, no Bibles, no internet, no nothing. They don't. So we do see it more there, but we see it here. We see it a lot here about Jesus coming to people.

We lived in Colorado 20 years, and then God called us to move back to Texas. And I remember thinking, "Oh, August in Texas."

Eric Huffman: Lovely.

Tom Doyle: We lived at 7,400 feet in the mountains and that. Anyways, so we come and that first summer, it's July, meeting all day at the mission's office. And we're talking strategy and all that stuff. Anyway, I get in the car, it is so hot. Feels like 150. Get in our little Honda CRV, and I'm going to go pick up JoAnn. We have a dinner. And then I realized, "Oh my gosh, I'm late. I should have left like 30 minutes ago, with traffic." And so I get up on the freeway, and on the Honda it says, six miles till empty. And I just went, "Lord, I need a break today. Can I have a break?" You know, I'm whining. I'm whining.

So I pull off the first exit. There's three stations. Okay. I'll take the FINA one over here. So I go and I stick my card in, it says, "Must see cashier." And I went, "Oh, come on, Lord. Are you kidding me? I could use some help here." I walk in, put my card down, woman comes up, she's fully covered. And I went, "Wow, we spend our life in the Middle East. We know Muslim people all over the world. Where are you from? We love your people."

And she said, "You go to the Middle East all the time?" And I said, "Yeah." And she said, "Okay, well then you have to guess where I'm from." I said, "Well, all right." I said, "Egypt." She goes, "Nope, Saudi Arabia." I said, "Seriously?" And then all of a sudden it hit me. I said, "Have you heard how God is honoring the Muslim people? How He's just lifting them up?" She goes, "What do you mean?" "He's coming to them in dreams. In fact, I wrote a book about it. I'd like to give you a book on Muslims having dreams." She goes, "You wrote a book about that?" I said, "Yeah." She goes, "That's so strange because I've been having dreams about Jesus."

Eric Huffman: What?

Tom Doyle: And I wanted to turn around and say, "Forgive me, God, for that crack about where are you? I'm tracking right now. I get it. I get it." Right?

Eric Huffman: Oh, that's funny.

Tom Doyle: And I run out, Eric, I get her a book, and I gave it to her and I'm signing the thing. She's already flipping through it. Anyway, I left, made it to our dinner on time. You know, a few days later, I'm in the area, "Oh, I need to get gas." I thought, "Ooh, I'm going to stop at that station." And then, "Ooh, I'm going to use that same pump." And I stuck the card in, works perfectly.

See, I don't think it was a card malfunction. Usually it says, "Please see cashier." It was an order from God. It said, "Must see cashier." So, I do. I get my gas, I go in, and there she is. She's reading "Dreams and Visions". And she goes, "Tom, I liked the book." I said, "You do?" And she goes, "Yeah, it's like my life." I said, "What do you mean it's like your life?" She goes, "I've been having dreams for a while." I said, "Like how long?" She goes, "Over 30 years now."

I said, "You've been having Jesus dreams for 30 years." She goes, "Yeah. Yeah. The first one, Jesus put a ring on my finger and told me He loved me. Is there anything in Christianity where like people that love Jesus, it's like a marriage or something?

Eric Huffman: And I'm like, yeah.

Tom Doyle: And she said this, "You know, here's what I figured. Jesus told me over and over He loved me. And even though I went to churches and asked for answers and couldn't get them," and I wonder what kind of church, she said, "I just knew this: In that dream I felt so much peace and so much love for Him. I knew that one day He was coming for me. I'd been waiting for Jesus. I knew the day was coming." And I said, "I think the day is today. I mean, I think it's today."

And we went through the verses in Romans and some of the New Testament verses, and she said, "That's it." And here's this Muslim woman, fully covered, we held hands in the Phoenix gas station, and she prayed to receive Jesus. And it was glorious.

Eric Huffman: Wow.

Tom Doyle: And nobody drove, you know, ding when they hit the bell, you know, as they drop it. Nobody interrupted. It was amazing. And here's what I thought, "How many are out there close to us.

Eric Huffman: That's right.

Tom Doyle: They would just be waiting for someone to start a conversation. You don't have to share the gospel the first time, just meet them and care for them. And so that's it. That's what we feel like a big part of it is, Eric, is just waking up the body of Christ. We needed waking up. We think the body of Christ does. Can I tell you one fun story?

Eric Huffman: Sure, please.

Tom Doyle: We were in Tyler at Green Acres Baptist Church, we're doing this-

Eric Huffman: Tyler, Texas.

Tom Doyle: Yeah.

Eric Huffman: All right.

Tom Doyle: ...training people on how to engage Muslims, get in a conversation. So anyway, my wife, JoAnn, she's little stick of dynamite for Jesus, you know, four 11 Italian and she's got it. So anyway, she's telling the women, "When you see a Muslim woman, go up and just meet them. Hey, I'm so-and-so. Are you from America? Where are you from? Just start a conversation. That's all."

And she goes, "We're going to come back probably in about a year, and I'm going to be asking you if you did this." So the very next day, someone that's sitting in the audience is in Kroger and she sees this Muslim woman in the aisle, and all of a sudden, she goes, "Oh, I'm supposed to go up. Well, I can't do it, Lord. I can't do it." If she's in the next aisle, I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it." She finishes her stuff, goes to the next aisle, here she is. "Okay, Lord. If she's in the next aisle."

Eric Huffman: Do not put the Lord your God to the test.

Tom Doyle: Happens again. She said, "I froze. I was scared to death." And then I said, "Okay, God, give me the strength. I don't know what to do." She goes, "I go the next aisle. There she is in the middle. And I just picked up the speed on my grocery cart and started going toward her. And she's kind of looked up at me a little startled. She looked the other way and there was another lady from church coming the other way.

Moved her basket toward her and the ladies looking and they both went up and said, "Hey, we just wanted to meet you. We don't know where you're from, but you know..." And it was awkward and all that kind of thing, but they did it. And that's all it starts with is a conversation. And believe me, they can see the fruit of the Spirit on people. They can tell if you care for them or not. They've got that radar.

Eric Huffman: Yeah. It's just really seeing the humanity in another person and value in that. I think that's one thing that worries me about where we are right now in our political moment, which is the dehumanization of the other and Muslims, just for a lot of Christians I know, just seem to be the easiest group to dehumanize.

It seems to be kind of rewarding and self-gratifying in a way to have another group to look down on. But as much as we can let Jesus liberate us from that, it's just the opportunities are all over. And I used to be so cynical about all the supernatural things about the stories you hear from missionaries, the... what'd you call it? The missionary stretchers. I'd never heard that. That was great.

I'm hardhearted sometimes. I recognize that. But stories like yours. And then recently I had an experience myself in Houston, Texas, where a young man, in the middle of a Thursday afternoon, starts ringing the doorbell at the church. And I'm in the middle of a meeting and nobody's answering the door and I'm just annoyed.

And I leave my meeting to go answer the door and it's this 28-year-old young man, very well-dressed, presented well, named Sam. And he said, "Look, I'm sorry. I don't know why I'm here. I just know I've lived around the corner for almost a year now and I ride my bike around the neighborhood. Every time I passed this place, it feels like God is pushing me here. Like he's telling me I have to come here." And our church just moved into this property not long ago.

I didn't know what to make of it, but I invited him in and just told him, you know, in the middle of a meeting, but let's talk for a second. And he starts telling me that he's raised Muslim, never had been anything other than Muslim. His parents are very devout. But he just has been having these dreams and I guess visions, just a voice, more like a voice speaking to him about coming to this place. And I'm talking to him and he just seems like he's on the precipice of something. And he's got a great life. There's nothing wrong. It's not a crisis. You know, he just knows there's something God's calling him to.

One of my assistant pastors kind of happened to come along at that point and they're the same age. And so I thought, "this is great," because I had people waiting for me in my office from that meeting. And so I just sort of handed him off to Pastor Dylan. And Dylan comes back into my office in like 27 minutes time, he's got tears on his face. He's like crying and shaking from what had just happened. And he said, "Sam just accepted Christ."

And I had to get over my pastoral envy because I'm like, I've never walked anybody from Islam to Christianity in 27 minutes, which he did. Sam was just ready because God had prepared the soil of his heart and he was ready to receive it. I baptized him soon after that.

Tom Doyle: Did you really?

Eric Huffman: Yeah. And he has been faithful in the church ever since. It opened my eyes personally to what's happening globally to where I can no longer chalk it up to just Christian enthusiasm or evangelical zeal. Like this stuff's really happening.

Tom Doyle: Yeah. Jesus is going before us, opening the door.

Eric Huffman: It's unreal. And we can get on board or not, but I think we better.

Tom Doyle: Yeah. I spoke at... have you heard of Toolbox down there?

Eric Huffman: Sure. Yeah.

Tom Doyle: I spoke at Toolbox, loved it. Anybody watching from Toolbox, invite me back. Anyway, a guy gets ahold of me like six months later on an email. Someone gave him my email. He goes, "Tom, I came to Toolbox and they told us what was your target of smuggling Bibles into Iran and reaching out to Muslims." And he goes, "I think I would have been more excited about getting a root canal than that." He goes, "This does not interest me. No."

And he said, but those stories, all of a sudden, those people were human. And I thought, "My gosh, God, if you are moving, why am I not involved in this? Because I live in Houston and there's Muslims all around me."

Eric Huffman: That' right.

Tom Doyle: So he said, "I just said, okay, God, every Wednesday it's yours. I'm going to lunch at a Middle East restaurant. I'm going to just sit and see if I meet people." And at the Middle East restaurants, I mean, they're family style, you know, they will just, "Hey, come on over, you buy yourself, you know, come on over and join us." And he said, "I've led two Muslims to Christ and I'm discipling them." And he said, "I really don't know what I'm doing. Can I get some help?" We said, "Absolutely. You'll get some help." And he goes, "What would you advise me?" And I said, "It doesn't matter that you don't know what you're doing. Just keep doing it. We'll help."

And that's what happens. We find out that God has prepared people. This is the good seed ready to land on the good soil and it's out there. And you don't think that Muslims aren't watching the same news we're watching? They see that the trail of blood often goes back to the jihadists, and they don't want that. They don't.

Even the jihadists, some of the people that we have seen come to faith in Christ, these were hard dudes that have come to faith in Christ. And if they were in a room of people right now, you would never... I mean, we always play the game, spot the terrorist. Which one in this room was the terrorist? And you'd never guess because the love of Christ, the fruit of the Spirit has so transformed them, they are a different person.

Eric Huffman: Yeah, that's right. I think the message for us American Christians is that God clearly has not given up on the Muslim world and we shouldn't either. And we shouldn't let our hearts turn hard or cold toward anybody, no matter what we see on the news, because there's so much more to the story.

Tom Doyle: So true. I want to come to your church and meet Sam.

Eric Huffman: Oh, I'd love to have you here. If you ever were back in Houston, I'd love to have you come check out The Story and speak or whatever you'd like to do there.

Tom Doyle: Oh, I'd love it.

Eric Huffman: We're almost out of time, Tom. I just want to encourage people one more time to check out not only the book, "Dreams and Visions" but Ifoundthetruth.com, a huge resource. You also have a YouTube channel.

Tom Doyle: We do.

Eric Huffman: A very successful YouTube channel. Again, fighting the envy bug here. Y'all are doing great on YouTube, man. Congratulations and praise God.

Tom Doyle: Well, praise God.

Eric Huffman: Before we started rolling, you were telling me about some difficult medical news you got not long ago and I just thought it would be a good place to land our conversation here because it does kind of circle back in a way to the conversation about your ministry in the Middle East. So just tell us about that journey.

Tom Doyle: Well, you know, I just got a stomachache. It wasn't anything big. One scan led to another. And finally, down at MD Anderson, they found that I had stage four cancer, rare aggressive bladder prostate, picked it up in the Middle East as a parasite. And some of the new things we're reading on cancer, some people are saying maybe all cancers come from parasites, but this one for sure does.

And so we entered treatment, prayer every day, people praying around the world. It's amazing. Changed throughout our pantry, went organic, doing everything that... we just figured, Hey, if this is a football game, we're going to hit it with as many weapons as we can.

Eric Huffman: Sure.

Tom Doyle: Prayer was number one. And then also, Eric, praying around the world. You got people in Iraq and Iran and Jordan and Israel praying. We're all praying together. It's like a slice of heaven. It's like a picture of every tribe, tongue, and people group around the throne. So we go through treatment, all these complimentary procedures. Four months later, they said no evidence of disease. A hallelujah miracle.

Eric Huffman: From stage four to no evidence of disease.

Tom Doyle: Stage 4. Less than a year to live, they said. One doctor did. And so then about five months later, another scan and they said, "Oop, we see some in the prostate." And so we did one thing of chemo radiation, but doing a lot of things to remain healthy, build up the body terrain and fight it. So we're just praying that by my birthday in August, that it's going to be gone completely.

Kind of like that miracle. Remember when Jesus healed the man, the blind man, and then he said, "What do you see?" Well, I see people but they look like trees walking around. You never figure that. Miracles. Not like Jesus is short on power, but why did that happen? Maybe, just maybe that was to show us hang in there and keep praying. And sometimes we don't see the healing in full, but anyway, that's what we're praying for. Feel great right now.

Eric Huffman: What was the role of the parasites again, just so I'm clear?

Tom Doyle: Yeah, that was what started it. So they said you probably picked it up in a village like in Egypt, or Afghanistan, a place that doesn't have a lot of clean food or whatever. And you know what it's like as missionaries. You're eating things and you're praying, "Into your hands, I commit my spirit, Lord. I don't even know what this is." And so picked up something there.

Eric Huffman: And what did they attribute your healing to?

Tom Doyle: The doctor kept saying it's a miracle.

Eric Huffman: Really?

Tom Doyle: He kept saying, "This is a miracle." I never liked this, Eric, where the guy, the doctor is working so hard, you know, we did immunotherapy, all these things, and then the Christian gets healed and goes, "It's all God. It's all God." Well, it is, but here's this guy sitting over there saying, "What am I? Chopped liver? Didn't I help?"

We kept telling our doctor, you have been amazing. We think with what you did and what God did, it's just been an unbeatable team. He said, "Well, thank you."

Eric Huffman: That's just another reminder, as much as some of us want to boil Christianity down to some intellectual enterprise we serve, of God of miracles.

Tom Doyle: Oh my gosh. That's so true. Can we have you on our podcast sometime? We want to hear your story.

Eric Huffman: Anytime. I would love that. If you ever need to hear from a formerly cynical, lost progressive activist and pretend Christian who found Jesus in the Holy Land, actually-

Tom Doyle: Oh my gosh.

Eric Huffman: I would love to talk to you.

Tom Doyle: And also, our son, Josh, has a podcast, No Longer Nomads. It's really good. I know he would love to have you on.

Eric Huffman: Yeah, we'll look him up.

Tom Doyle: That's a message because you have things that were in your heart that people have right now that are holding them back. We get it.

Eric Huffman: We've seen God use it.

Tom Doyle: I hear people that are deconstructing their Christianity, not believing and maybe they have hurt from the past or whatever. But take them to an underground church where former Orthodox Jews and radical Palestinians love Jesus together and pray, they'll never be the same.

Eric Huffman: That's right. Tom, thank you so much, brother, for the time today. You've been an inspiration to me and I'm sure to many others. I'll make sure we put the links we mentioned earlier in the show notes so everybody can find you. And I hope everybody watching will follow Tom's work online.

Tom Doyle: Oh, man. Thank you.

Eric Huffman: Thank you, brother.

Tom Doyle: Let's get our people together. Let's get you on. We'd love to hear your story.

Eric Huffman: Make it happen. Thank you, man. I appreciate you.

Tom Doyle: Okay. God bless you. Thank you.

Eric Huffman: God bless you.